NEW AMSOIL PRODUCT AT NAPA 20-50W high zinc formula motorcycle compatible.

[brianmac]

i found a NEW AMSOIL PRODUCT AT NAPA 20-50W high zinc formula motorcycle compatible, wet clutch compatible.
PRODUCT CODE
AR0-QT
97012 01401
whats the verdict ?
PLEASE CHIME IN ONLY IF YOU ARE AN EXPERIENCED MECHANIC.
i know the feds are mandating zddp reduction due to its affinity for mucking up CADILLACTIC CONVERTERS.....

how many times have we heard "ive had good luck with....."
its not about luck

[roadiemort]

[brianmac]

whaqts this mean davej?

oh from that link
APPLICATIONS
AMSOIL Premium Protection Synthetic Motor Oil is recommended for air- and liquid-cooled, large or small gasoline and diesel engines, transmissions and chaincase applications where 20W-50 oils are required with any of the following specifications:

• API SL, SJ, SH, SG
• API CI-4+, CI-4, CH-4, CF, CF-2
• ISO-L-EMA
• Caterpillar* ECF-1
• JASO MA (Motorcycle)
• MAN* 271/3275
• MTU Type 2
• Cummins* 20071/20072/20076/20077
• Volvo*, VDS-2, VDS
• Mack* EO-M+, EO-M
• ACEA A3/B3, E3, E5
• MB 228.1, 228.3, 229.1
• Detroit Diesel* 93K214

[roadiemort]

Means it is good for anything, exactly what it says, specifically for flat tappet motors but not where gear oil is required.

[davej]

Agee with Mort it's good for anything.

[Doc_V]

Thanks for sharing, always good to know about alternatives however, at that price, assuming it has the necessary level of ZDDP, it's a bit of a "six of one half dozen of another"... Mobil 1 V-Twin is usually $11 a bottle. It'd be nice if someone came out with a less expensive high ZDDP oil.

[Doc_V]

According to the Amsoil site, it's $12.15 a bottle....

[Doc_V]

Just checked the Data Sheet and no specs on ZDDP or Zinc levels, only that its ,"High". I'm sure it's a decent oil, but it would be nice if they actually provided that info since it's the main selling point.

[D-Fresh]

Like you said earlier Doc, nice to have another alternative.

[grubsie]

Kind of funny that Amsoil doesn't have the ZDDP spec and Mobil 1 has no JASO,MA rating but claim theirs is wet clutch safe.

[Spydr]

Yup, I find that peculiar as well. It's one reason why I don't use Mobil 1 V twin.

[davej]

my guess is that the answer is just a phone call away to customer support.

Product Support Call (715) 399-TECH (8324). Customer Service Call 1-800-777-7094.

[Shores]

I suspect it’s just a repackaging of the current V-Twin 20-50. What indicates it is wet clutch compatible?

[roadiemort]

https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produ...tic-motor-oil/

[roadiemort]

Scroll down to where it says wet clutch compatible.

[brianmac]

I went to Napa and I had both of them on the Shelf this one was 10.99 the V-Twin was like $12.75 keep in mind that Harley's they have a Cadillac converters so maybe they need reduced zddp. in any event further investigation is warranted

[Bikerron]

Don’t forget, Harley’s big twins run roller tappets and the clutch (primary) and tranny both have different oil in each case where the engine shares none.

[Father Pobasturd]

I had a friend who put a White 1977 Cadillac sedan de ville in a demolition derby. Down both sides of it he spray painted, "Battlestar Cadillactica".

[texasscott1]

I went to Napa and I had both of them on the Shelf this one was 10.99 the V-Twin was like $12.75 keep in mind that Harley's they have a Cadillac converters so maybe they need reduced zddp. in any event further investigation is warranted

So do the FI Road Stars.

[Bikerron]

Yea, but my FI factory mufflers are hanging on the garage wall.

So, I doubt any high levels of zinc are going to affect them.

[brianmac]

So ifn we figure this thing out and maybe one oil for carbonated bikes and a different one for fuel injected RSs

[Bikerron]

Only if one still has stock mufflers on the FI. Rare instances, for sure.

[Tykes_Place]

Mobil 1 V-Twin is $9.54 per quart at WalMart all day long. I don't see any reason to switch.

[Doc_V]

Maybe I'm missing something... Which is entirely possible... But the wet clutch isn't really the issue... it's the flat tappet protection, etc. There are plenty of MC spec oils that work with a wet clutch, but don't provide a dam bit of wear protection. I suppose the question here is does this contain enough ZDDP to protect the *spensive* bits...

[Bikerron]

I’m blue in the face when it comes to researching that, Doc, as there seems to be slim pickings on info when it comes to flat tappet, air cooled v twins, with shared oil for the engine, transmission and clutch.

I’ll just stick with what has been working for me.

[Parhamj]

Ok so what oil do most recommend? Just asking because I am newbie.

[Shores]

Ok so what oil do most recommend? Just asking because I am newbie.

Amsoil or Mobil 1 synthetic for motorcycles. 10-40 or 20-50 depending on your climate.

[Doc_V]

To clarify, Mobil 1 ***V-Twin** There's a difference.

[Duke]

I've been using a this blend for over 4 years now and has been working for me.
Good to know about Amsoil.

[brianmac]

er well, i guess the point of this is that some things may be a changing, due to feds . so you may not get in the oil what you were getting, kind a like newly weds, that sort a thang.

[Doc_V]

er well, i guess the point of this is that some things may be a changing, due to feds . so you may not get in the oil what you were getting, kind a like newly weds, that sort a thang.

Actually that change happened more than a decade ago. We just have to make sure we get the right oil for our R*s because it really does make a HUGE difference... In a former life, I worked for the largest importer of Porsche parts in the US, and among other things, I personally helped make them the largest distributor, west of the Mississippi, of high a end European motor oil. What does this have to do with R*? I'd met with Porsche shops who'd rebuilt motors, only to have them come back 500 miles later COMPLETELY SHOT all because they didn't use the proper oil with enough ZDDP. To quote one shop owner, "it looked like someone took a grinder to the cams". FWIW Walmart is the single largest seller of oil by the bottle in the US., but sadly in the case of Porsche, most people didn't realize the Mobil 1 Synth 20w50 sold at Walmart is NOT the same as the Mobil 1 20w50 required by Porsche, and it primarily has to do with the ZDDP. [Google Porsche and ZDDP and you'll see what I'm talking about.] More to the point, it has to do with *spec*... Not all synthetic 20w50 oil is alike and not all motorcycle formulated oil is alike. When an oil says it's an MC oil, that just means it's OK for wet clutches... So make sure the Motorcycle spec oil you choose for your R* is not only rated for wet clutches, but equally important, has enough ZDDP and you'll have a happy R*.

Oil is the one place you don't want to cheap out on the R*. If you're unsure when choosing, a good rule of thumb is to make sure the oil is a *V-Twin* specific oil, and you should be alright. Many of us here like Mobil 1 V-Twin 20w50 and I'm sure this new Amsoil would be good too.

If you're interested, here's a good detailed explanation of ZDDP in motor oil: https://superoilcentral.com/high-zddp-motor-oil/

Note: Just because an oil has high levels of ZDDP, such as diesel oils, doesn't mean it's good for your R*; this is because it isn't intended for wet clutches. If you were to put it in your R*, you'd have clutch slippage issues.

[Ironman]

What's wrong with Yamalube?

[Doc_V]

Nothing wrong with Yamalube, as long as it's the *proper spec* required for the R*. Just like not all MC oil is created equal, neither is all Yamalube. That said, I believe the oil called for in the owner's manual is Yamalube M 20w40 and I've not been able to find that oil available anymore.

[Duke]

Good write up Doc, along with the information. Thanks.

[Bikerron]

Who can name another air cooled, flat tappet, OHV motorcycle engine made in the last 15-20 years, other than Yamaha’s 1900cc, that shares the same oil in the engine with the tranny and clutch?

[Bikerron]

https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us...pecs-guide.pdf

[Doc_V]

Good Find Ron!