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  • Watch high tech move out of Seattle!

    I live just south, but this crazy shit is making living here nuts!

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...s-problem.html

    “The West is the Best" - Jim Morrison

  • #2
    Sawant and other libs will hit any big business with the burden of paying to "fix" the problems of downtown Seattle. Its a shame that the "fix" won't do anything but drive some businesses away...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by OldCorps View Post
      Sawant and other libs will hit any big business with the burden of paying to "fix" the problems of downtown Seattle. Its a shame that the "fix" won't do anything but drive some businesses away...
      I heard some comments on the radio about this very same type of taxation in Philly. Exactly what happened. Businesses moved out of the jurisdiction, even if it was only just across the city limits, to avoid it. Those who can pack up and relocate will. Heaven help anybody who can't get out.


      "From everyone according to their abilities, to everyone according to their needs" ......Karl would be proud. The great leveling of the playing field, by government mandates. Only when everyone is sharing the same misery, will they be satisfied and claim success.

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      • #4
        I noticed the problem over 30 years ago, when my ship visited Seattle. Now, with the 'government entitlement generation' gaining control of city and state governments, we are seeing more of this 'take money from people/companies that actually work to make it, and throw it into entitlement programs that seem to encourage those that don't want to work, to continue doing so. Add to this legalization of marijuana sweeping the more liberal states, and you'll see even more of this attitude.

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        • #5
          It's a lost cause, we are drifting into socialism (well we are mostly already there, actually) since today's youth want the entitlements and the safe spaces Government control gives them. Hell, I saw a thing on Rasmussen today that 46% want a guaranteed job for all that comes with health benefits! That's what good ol' Bernie is proposing! in 10-20 years America is going to look a whole lot different than what it looks like today. Us old guys can't do a damn thing about it either.

          2000 Roadstar 1600 - BAK, Pumpless, Curt's manifold, Mikuni HSR42 Freedom Combat Pipes Jumbo Strong bags, PPG 'HellFire' Paint.

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          • #6
            Can you guys do me a favor? stop using the word ENTITLEMENT improperly please. Entitlement programs are NOT what you are talking about. What you are talking about are Social Safety Net programs. SNAP, TANF, Medicaid etc are SOCIAL SAFETY NET programs.
            ENTITLEMENTS are social security, pension plans, MEDICARE, Social Security disability. YOU, EACH and EVERY one of you will pay into each of these programs so that YOU YOURSELF can collect your ENTITLEMENT when you retire. YOU collect it because you are ENTITLED to it because You PAID for it your entire working life. You will also PAY for your Medicare every single month in a premium that is deducted from your Social Security Entitlement.
            If you want to bitch about social safety net programs, even though you, or a friend, or your children may someday need to call upon those programs for assistance, FINE. Knock yourselves out.
            Just get it RIGHT.
            If you keep letting the talking heads convince you that the very things you PAY for so you have them when you retire, are not what you are entitled to because they use the word entitlement to = 'welfare', then you have no one but yourselves to blame when you finally retire (at the probable age of 90) go looking for your entitlements that YOU paid for and find that you were ripped off by the brainwashing talking heads.
            I really get tired of seeing this one concept parroted over and over and the people doing the parroting are actually just demonstrating how successful the media brainwashing is.
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            • BubbaKahuna
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              Yup!

            • Duke
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              WELL SAID Silkentek! Duke

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            Couldn't happen to a nicer place.
            I love the smell of smoked pork in the morning !

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            • #8
              Silken, I get your point, but I think what we're saying here is... these others are NOT paying for these programs, existing or proposed, and THEY think they are THEIR entitlements!!! That's what is the most galling part about all this socialistic BS! Do I understand you all correctly? That's what I was taking away from it....

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              • #9
                I'm tired of constantly seeing people use their food stamp cards to buy junk food! then pull out a wad of cash for their cigarettes and beer and then go and load it into a car or SUV with fancy wheels and a bangin' system! I get the need for SNAP but buying soda, chips, candy, Rib eye steaks and stuff I can't afford with MY tax dollars just flat pisses me off. We all know the abuses are there and perhaps if we cleaned that up a whole lot it would make it a little better?

                Some people would just rather be on the public dole than to actually go out and work for a living. There are jobs out there for pretty much every one. employers and building trades are begging for people that will just show up and actually try to work. I was on food stamps many years ago so I understand the need, but I was actually out there trying to find a job!

                2000 Roadstar 1600 - BAK, Pumpless, Curt's manifold, Mikuni HSR42 Freedom Combat Pipes Jumbo Strong bags, PPG 'HellFire' Paint.

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                • #10
                  And the difference with socialism is...?

                  I remember being down after the last Florida hurricane. They were interviewing the people complaining about waiting up to 8 hours to get their care packages, groceries etc.

                  The parking lot was full of nice cars, BMW's etc.

                  And the fun part, the hurricane never hit that area. The stores were not shutdown, never ran out of food or anything.

                  But someone put this plan together ahead of time to hand out freebies, and they were going to do if they were needed or not.

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                  • #11
                    This happens even in small towns. The tire warehouse I manage is in a small town with the only other business's being my warehouse, the post office, and Spuds bar. Every 3 years or so they come into the warehouse and start throwing their weight around. Wanting to push taxes and money around, etc. We do 5-10 million a year here so they demand from us before they do Spuds bar. Once they get overwhelming, the owner just tells them that he would be more than happy to relocate the warehouse and give his tax money to the next city over. The pushing instantly stops and everybody is happy for awhile until they start pushing again.






                    "There is nothing stronger than the heart of a volunteer."
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                    • #12
                      So fixing the "homeless" problem is to increase unemployment when the companies need to downsize due to taxes or just uproot and run?

                      How about we get those "homeless" people a damn job and stop wiping their ass for them.
                      my Wallet is Getting dangerously close to spontaneous combustion

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                      • #13
                        The problem is, is that the politicians (on all levels) believe that entitlements and social assistance programs are one and the same. Social Security has been raided by the pols so often, that 'baby boomers' must work longer into the time they were planning for retirement . Pensions cannot be counted on, as companies fail, are absorbed or pillaged by corporate raiders and hedge fund entities. obsolescence also enters into the equation.

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                        • #14
                          I'm so glad I live in flyover country!

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                          • #15
                            I have a brother that bitches about not be able to afford his house, electric, water and etc. on his monthly social security disability check. I have told him to go and get a job and he says that he can't because he does not want to hurt his "Benefits"
                            He feels that he is entitled to them, yes, he did work, but his drug use got him fired from the airline industry. Then he had some health issues and he is on pain pills, but he should be able to at least push papers, but he does not want to hurt his benefits!
                            Most of the homeless around here steal and panhandle for their booze and drugs. But they get their monthly check, panhandle and make a better living than me, and I bust my ass for the state of Texas.
                            2005 Silverado Midnight Star

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                            • #16
                              Originally posted by Questcap View Post
                              Silken, I get your point, but I think what we're saying here is... these others are NOT paying for these programs, existing or proposed, and THEY think they are THEIR entitlements!!! That's what is the most galling part about all this socialistic BS! Do I understand you all correctly? That's what I was taking away from it....
                              Yes. There is a difference between being owed something, and feeling entitled to something because politicians promised something for nothing. Well, nothing, accept the idea if you vote for them, they’ll continue to rob Peter and Paul to buy political clout.
                              When a social contract is foisted upon your back by politicians spending other people’s money, and you had wages garnished with the promise the government will began paying you back a bit at a time later in life, it’s an entirely different scenario then people who figured out how to game the system, and relax in a safety hammock.

                              Democracy. Two wolves and a sheep, deciding on what’s for supper.

                              As a a wise man once said. If you want more of something, subsidize it. Propping up the “homeless”, will only exacerbate the problem. Butt hay!!! Homeless people vote.

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                              • SKWEARpeg
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                                Fact.

                              • Lifeguard
                                Lifeguard commented
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                                Yes that is true and the reason for that is most have some form of a diagnosed mental health issue that needs to be addressed. They refuse care due to being destablized and could not hold a job. I work with that population and this is why we have a homeless population that is out of control. Substance use disorder is a diagnosable mental health issue the same a depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia etc. No treatment means unstable leading to unemployable resulting in no medical care or housing.

                              • SKWEARpeg
                                SKWEARpeg commented
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                                I'm sure a portion of the 80% give or take fall into that category of "can't help themselves". I also think people make choices. Some people decide to play by the rules. They get up and go to work everyday. They avoid the kind of things that screw up their lives. They decide to be responsible for themselves, their families, and their communities.
                                I think there are plenty of others, who are where they are because they make choices that lead them down a path of personal destruction.
                                There are numerous agencies and programs that provide help for those who want to get out of bad situations. Lifes funny that way though. You gotta wanna do it.
                                There are consequences to actions. Not doing something to help yourself, is as much of an action, as someone trying to fix whats broken.

                            • #17
                              Originally posted by Questcap View Post
                              Silken, I get your point, but I think what we're saying here is... these others are NOT paying for these programs, existing or proposed, and THEY think they are THEIR entitlements!!! That's what is the most galling part about all this socialistic BS! Do I understand you all correctly? That's what I was taking away from it....
                              I understand that there are those that abuse the safety net system, I have seen it myself. However my issue with the language used on this subject isn't how you all feel about the uses the social safety net programs are being put to, particularly those abuses you witness. My issue is that you guys are all lumping true Entitlement programs that are bought and paid for by you, to be used by you etc with the 'welfare' programs, and this allows the asshats in government to take those paid for entitlements away from you in the end game because all they have to do is shout "VOTE YES SO WE CAN END ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS!!" and you like the good sheeple you are, will go hell yah! lets do that! and then promptly realize when you go to collect your pension or social security that you shot yourselves in the foot because you were successfully conned.

                              Get the language right in your head. If you are beefed about Aid to Families with dependants, TANF, SNAP (Foodstamps), WIC, etc that is fine, that is your right as a voter. Those are not entitlement programs, have never been. They have just been labeled that way by the politicians, who have their own agenda surrounding that strategy.

                              Unemployment insurance, workeman's compensation, Social Security, Social Security Disability, Medicare, and other ENTITLEMENT programs you pay into to INSURE you are covered in case really bad shit happens, and so you don't wind up completely broke once you are busted down, old and broken, are NOT welfare, so stop lumping it all together, in your head and in the way you discuss it. Don't give in to the programming, RESIST the brainwash.
                              2013 V-star 1300 Deluxe
                              "Rosemarie"

                              Sometimes it's harder to challenge yourself, then to face the challenge itself.

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                              • roadiemort
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                                You have no concept of how Insurance really works, Finite pay in so infinite can,t draw without government subsidies.

                              • Silkentek
                                Silkentek commented
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                                I can't make head nor tails of your comment roadimort, other then it's first part, which makes the assumption that I have no concept of how insurance works. In that assumption you are incorrect. I know very well how insurance works, particularly the for-profit insurance for health and automobile and house coverage. The insurance company is banking on the fact that you will pay them money endlessly and never need to draw on it by needing the insurance you pay for.
                                The government actually practices this as well, by keeping people just over broke, uneducated, and working minimum wage jobs, and making advanced or trade schooling so expensive that you are in debt for the rest of your life paying it back. This way, you work harder right? A person even endangers their health and well being on the quest for the all mighty dollar, mostly just to make ends meet, but also hoping to get up into an income tier that will allow them to "have nice things".
                                This pretty much ensures that you won't live a whole lot past your 'retirement age', and if you do, you will be in poor health etc. This way the folks not making money off your sweat any longer are making money off of your pain and suffering, which they can prolong or not as they choose, which ever is the most profitable. I know that things like unemployment insurance are not long term, however I have a pretty fair idea of how it all actually works.
                                MY ENTIRE point, which most respondents are dodging, is that you are being trained to think of ANYTHING you receive from our government, whether you have paid into it or not, is bad and should be abolished by their equating the word Entitlement with Welfare. It amazes me just how many people actually fall for this.

                            • #18
                              Follow up......

                              https://www.dailywire.com/news/30513...us-jason-rantz

                              “The West is the Best" - Jim Morrison

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                              • #19
                                When the snowboulder finally arrives at the bottom of the hill, destroying a school bus full of kids, seven new business start ups, a free range chicken farm, and numerous examples of optimism for the future, nobody will remember who packed a handful of snow together and nudged it over the edge.
                                In the end, everything from global warming, conservative principles, and even Donald Trump will be blamed for the knee to the groin of the areas economic future.

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                                • #20
                                  Sounds like Seattle needs a new City Council. If the article is correct, then this one can't find it's collective arse with all of it's collective hands, and is doing nothing but costing a lot of money and causing a lot of businesses to begin relocation efforts.
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